tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post5314893879503050489..comments2024-02-23T01:26:31.705+10:00Comments on 3 Sheets: Let's talk about PlagiarismKyliehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05048371258743968255noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-73955235424204927502011-12-16T00:36:44.182+10:002011-12-16T00:36:44.182+10:00No longer making a living from design, but l still...No longer making a living from design, but l still can be a little annoyed when something pops up that looks similar to one of my own ideas<br /><br />Almost left the WWW because of it but decided if l wanted to keep something a secret then don't publish the idea and i find the benefits far out weigh the annoyances for <br />BUT....if you are trying to make a living not so easy..very very annoying<br />Your design is sufficiently different and is only the essence of the 1950's but with a more appealing twist l think<br />Great post tooSue Pinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09602948623134311916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-7619160055586775642010-01-29T08:59:08.647+10:002010-01-29T08:59:08.647+10:00hi. i just found your blog yesterday. and by posti...hi. i just found your blog yesterday. and by posting on this particular post, i am admitting to how far i'm reading back. .. sorry for the cyber stalking (: great blog though!<br /><br />i love that you brought this up. the idea that there is nothing new under the sun. i like to pull a lot of photographs for inspiration via the internet and use the images to paint sometimes (by drawing and painting and color choosing myself)....i get nervous about posting any of my work online, thinking i have somehow plagiarized someone's photographs...and perhaps a little shame that my idea wasn't "original". or that because i typically do not do any images with faces (simply because i'm not good at them), my work looks too similar to the faceless portraits of lisa golightly and alyson fox (whom i adore) thoughts on any of that?<br /><br />isn't it like 10 points of similarity equals plagiarism?cara.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16121050946658225167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-49617118053871128872009-12-10T16:25:26.314+10:002009-12-10T16:25:26.314+10:00Plagiarism?
It's clearly your own design, bu...Plagiarism? <br /><br />It's clearly your own design, but if you're going to call it anything call it appropriation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriation_(art) rather than plagiarism.<br /><br />To me you are more postmodern artist than crafter, that's what I love about your work and why I feel like I need to own every single piece without seeming like some crazy stalker, there's more to it than surface value. When I look at it it's like looking at an appropriation of modern (ie '50s) art and design. And there ain't nothin' wrong with that!edward and lillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07735652961063176364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-53564511604671124022009-12-08T23:13:42.364+10:002009-12-08T23:13:42.364+10:00HOW DID I MISS THIS POST?
Ugh. Know exactly how ...HOW DID I MISS THIS POST? <br /><br />Ugh. Know exactly how you feel and it has happened to me before - me being plagiarised. Because I know how it feels, I have an uber conscience about it which tends to rule my decisions. Course then I tend to come over a bit extreme about things. Your design is beautiful and MUST(!) b printed in one form or another. But it needs to sit comfortably with you or you'll never be able to look at it and shout out 'I did that!' even when you know you did.Taniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17520680195281725886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-87039072803068025792009-12-07T12:27:09.103+10:002009-12-07T12:27:09.103+10:00oh, and i love your work {always!}
belindaoh, and i love your work {always!}<br />belindabelinda marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06141948181116751659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-17358375657530922002009-12-07T12:17:45.177+10:002009-12-07T12:17:45.177+10:00i put a yellow star on this post days ago ~ anythi...i put a yellow star on this post days ago ~ anything that i have to/desperately want to think about mostly has to wait!!!<br />not sure i have anything original to say either, but recognise the feeling you've described so well. {and researched so well}.<br />i think if we analyse this too much we might not create any more and that's would be really too sad. <br />my 'way' with this feeling {when it happens to me, which is often b/c a lot of my creativity operates from the subconscious ~ which is where this 'plagarism' kind of lurks} is to look at the piece in question and realise some of it is just like 'x' then take what i think is genuinely me and go further with it and consciously leave the rest out {or at least interpret my attraction to it!}. <br />i like to feel that my work is my own, but, that said, i do believe that there is a collective ether! clear as mud!!<br />:)belinda marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06141948181116751659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-47947446027800858182009-12-06T21:05:48.624+10:002009-12-06T21:05:48.624+10:00Interesting topic & nice to read all the comme...Interesting topic & nice to read all the comments about this too! <br />I remember that I made a work in my first year of artschool which came right from my soul & I believed it to be original & unique. Then another student came along and told me that probably someone on the other side of the globe was making exactly the same thing!<br />It really upset me & we had a long and painful discussion about it. Since the work contained 'my soul' I believed it to be unique & different even though that someone else on the other side of the globe would be making the same thing (which I still don't believe)... (this is part of the work I meant: http://www.flickr.com/photos/artmind_etcetera/2486277231/in/set-72157603702099720/)<br />Just saying that when you make something that looks like someone else' work and it's been made unintentional, I think you should not feel bad as an artist!<br />I love your print & I think it's you! ;)<br />Goodluck on whatever you decide!Mitsy / ArtMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04280632343565376907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-28916612916995868542009-12-05T14:44:54.488+10:002009-12-05T14:44:54.488+10:00Kylie, I posted a smiliar thought here: http://kat...Kylie, I posted a smiliar thought here: http://katiecrackernuts.blogspot.com/2009/09/same-same-but-different.html <br />I agree, it's hard to know how influenced you are by what you see around you, and thus how original your own idea is. I think your design stands alone though. Yes, I can see that it has similarities, but goodness, it's not a carbon copy - and I guess that's what the laws come down to. Is it a copy, or was there intent to copy for commercial purposes.Kate Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11731006032499344619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-82824250872800131562009-12-03T23:38:05.891+10:002009-12-03T23:38:05.891+10:00i have relished all the differing opinions here my...i have relished all the differing opinions here my friend and have seen the 'nothing is original" quote before. It is a hard one to sort out...I do not hold the rights to using the red netting I use in my collages for instance, but if someone starts using it as well because they saw mine am I upset?<br /> not really because it was not a direct copy, usually collage is so different each piece. <br />Ideas come and go...that is art in itself, just my 2 cents worth<br /><br />Love your print by the way.RedorGrayArthttp://redorgrayart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-4178634628648746552009-12-03T21:51:14.026+10:002009-12-03T21:51:14.026+10:00Hi Kylie,
Your print is definitely not a copy of...Hi Kylie,<br /><br />Your print is definitely not a copy of those others patterns. Period. When I first saw it I never thought of it as plagiarism whatsoever. It shares a similar palette and strokes but it's YOUR rendition. What's important here is not worrying about the similarities of your print to other works but to search for your own style, those unique details that make your work a 'Kylie' and that will make it recognizable among others. Maybe you share the values/ideas/concepts that inspired artists in the fifties so it's logical that you come up with a style alike. Kylie, you are on the right track.Karenhttp://blog.karenbarbe.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-8425675344532075662009-12-03T20:27:06.782+10:002009-12-03T20:27:06.782+10:00this is such a contentious issue here Kylie and so...this is such a contentious issue here Kylie and so timely.<br /><br />i feel like I could write a thesis on this topic..but to keep it brief...<br /><br />there is this book I have by Steven Heller in my cupboard called Borrowed Design...I really need to pull this out and read it again. But basically it talks about all that we have known in our art and design and all that we take from it..even the greats.<br /><br />I think everyone who is creative has made or designed something that is similar to something else without knowing. And that in itself is fine. It is the choices they make to continue producing these ideas that make it wrong or right. If you start to produce multiples of something that is just like something else then this is problematic. <br /><br />what makes your own work/art unique and what makes artists and designers successful is their ability to take something or take many things that have, 'been before' and mold it, add to it, delete from it, manipulate it enough times so that it becomes their own.<br /><br />the downside to the internet is that you expose your work and ideas to people that will blatantly copy in a way that is meaningful and wrong.<br /><br />the upside the internet is that you can catalogue your work in blogs and websites that can aid you when you want to sue the idiots who copy you.<br /><br />the upside to the internet is that you can have the very public opportunity to be honest and discuss all this.<br /><br />At the end of the day, what you did is (I believe) not plagiarism. yes it is similar, but are you making money from it and have you produced other lucienne day like images to make money from? No, I don't believe you have.<br /><br />if you were to take this one element of your work and make it into the main element of your creative/design life then you would build on it, and change it so that it eventually becomes very Kylie. images get shoved into our subconscious all the time. <br /><br />Perhaps you were a former 50's design prodigy in a former life?<br /><br />on the flip side to all this, I'm taking legal action for being copied! but details will be left at that for the time being.<br /><br />agghh the internet has changed the way we are influenced forever.<br /><br />and now looking up, I want to know what Anna said! :)tielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05305354988145542353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-64445583247987924692009-12-03T10:33:15.110+10:002009-12-03T10:33:15.110+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anna Lloydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01323444241874251725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-7278968663418293212009-12-03T01:08:07.882+10:002009-12-03T01:08:07.882+10:00I know your dilemma! It's so weird sometimes w...I know your dilemma! It's so weird sometimes when I find someone on the web who has similar style as I do. And so the same feelings as you said follow me... I often think about all the people in the world and it somehow seems logical that there is probably someone, who you never saw in your life, that thinks about similar visual problems and everything so... comes to similar conclusions as you do. you know what I mean? <br />however... I know how you feel... it's hard not to be inspired by things around us and it's probably impossible. But you know, our professor once said, that we are not inventors of a visual language as same as the writers don't invent the words and language but they just use it in their own way and we do the same. <br />I hope I make sense. :) I think this is a great topic for a long passionate debate.<br />*naahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02754555067933857252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-89466942053124937662009-12-03T00:07:12.479+10:002009-12-03T00:07:12.479+10:00This is a great post. My husband and I have been s...This is a great post. My husband and I have been saying this for years now. Everything is a remaking of something that has existed before. Sort of like the physics concept that energy is never destroyed, just transformed.<br /><br />I love your design, by the way. Just lovely.Maribethhttp://www.lovelyworld.typepad.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-23223949514539422682009-12-02T20:33:37.085+10:002009-12-02T20:33:37.085+10:00Wow Kylie, you can get comments going like no one ...Wow Kylie, you can get comments going like no one else I know. Such a brilliant spicy subject. : ) <br />I don't think you should feel worried, the differences outweigh the similarities but it comes down to how you feel about it in the end. I think it looks great!Alisa : Ink Caravanhttp://inkcaravan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-1323531213016983082009-12-02T17:22:34.290+10:002009-12-02T17:22:34.290+10:00I agree with Selina, everyone are getting influenc...I agree with Selina, everyone are getting influenced in one why or another. It´s like with music, you sample and make it you own consciously or sub-consciusly. Love your pattern :)!Fine Little Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02496623183067135293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-67120086785748842912009-12-02T14:58:44.756+10:002009-12-02T14:58:44.756+10:00Fabulous post Kylie. I too have pondered the same ...Fabulous post Kylie. I too have pondered the same thing. Is anything truly original? I think not. Everyone takes inspiration from somewhere, whether consciously or sub-consciously. How many images are we exposed to on a daily basis? Too many to remember every detail.Selinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13677873091396001547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-63844103951224879652009-12-02T11:38:44.100+10:002009-12-02T11:38:44.100+10:00Here's the link to that plagairism case. It...Here's the link to that plagairism case. It's unbelievable!<br /><br />http://www.book-by-its-cover.com/fineart/a-sad-story-must-readckillinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09040215760958803578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-71726525577547544112009-12-02T11:32:06.894+10:002009-12-02T11:32:06.894+10:00You have opened my favourite Pandora's Box her...You have opened my favourite Pandora's Box here, Kylie.<br /><br />I could write a novel on this subject. I come across this all the time. Whether the plagiarism is intentional or not is not the real issue for me. It's your response as an artist/ designer when you discover that someone else has done/ is doing something very similar or identical to you. My driving force is to attempt something original in what I create. Years ago I made these stuffed toys for my nephews, they were a very simple shape, black and had pointy ears. I wasn't selling them but friends kept suggesting that I should. One day I picked up a book at the Museum of Modern Art by a well-known Canadian designer who made stuffed toys and there was this exact toy that I had made, right down to the colour and pointy ears. I was utterly horrified and embarrassed and wondered if maybe I'd seen these images years earlier, flicking through a mag, and had unknowingly retained the image. The thing is though, I lost complete interest in the thought of reproducing the design because 1) it would be stealing but more importantly I just have no interest in doing something that is already out there. <br /><br />In regards to the work I'm doing now if I discovered someone has been doing something similar to me BEFORE I started this work OR if I found that someone was copying my work, my reaction would be the same to both scenarios. I would simply move on to another idea. I have so many new ideas and I'm always keen to move on to the next thing and I think most true artists/ designers are like this. <br /><br />I see a lot of copying at markets. The one I just did in Magnolia Square, for example. I have so many stories from stall holders that range from blatant copying to unintentional copying. Because you can't copyright an idea the best defense for an artist is to keep having new ideas. I recently came across an astonishing plagiarism case that's been doing the rounds of various blogs and I'll try and find it and pass it on to you. <br /><br />As for your own work .. yes, there are similariites but there are many more differences and I think you have a unique piece of work in a particular style (ie 50s patterns). If you feel uncomfortable about it then I wouldn't do it. You must have a million ideas in your head .. you will produce many many more designs, I'm sure. Ask yourself, would you be happy to print off your fabric design knowing that some people might say, well I've seen that before, and others will say, how beautiful, how different? If this doesn't bother you then I'd go ahead with production.<br /><br />The final call has to come from you, how you really feel about it.ckillinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09040215760958803578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-10653839117537445392009-12-02T10:52:40.534+10:002009-12-02T10:52:40.534+10:00Wow talk about food for thought. Never in a millio...Wow talk about food for thought. Never in a million years would I have said that your design was copied. It looks quite differnt to me. At worst it could be "inspired by". As artists we make our art to be enjoyed and shared. I'd rather take the risk of having something copied than keep it to myself out of fear. Interesting post.Trish Goodfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16664802081740596519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-46920106018413205572009-12-02T06:42:19.824+10:002009-12-02T06:42:19.824+10:00Kylie,
I've been wrestling with this very issu...Kylie,<br />I've been wrestling with this very issue ever since I saw the folded books made into lamps on your other blog. I had been on a high after creating my bookworks with the pages folded like origami. It was a bit of letdown to see that it has been done before and that I wasn't so original after all!<br />And yet, I've been on the other side of the picture - sharing my artwork and then seeing the image mirrored elsewhere. While everyone puts their own stamp on their work, sometimes it has been a bit too close for comfort. <br />I suppose it has all been done before and so I'm trying to embrace the value of doing it anyway.Ingrid Midahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609389355426171504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-611403680914920392009-12-02T04:58:40.214+10:002009-12-02T04:58:40.214+10:00I have so been with you and I love that quote! I ...I have so been with you and I love that quote! I think everything we love and are inspired with ends up in our art and life. I find the people that inspire me most end up having bits and pieces of their work in mine, completely unintentionally. xoxoour little love nesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034447276293264240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-62531344517446753552009-12-02T04:34:14.449+10:002009-12-02T04:34:14.449+10:00Yep - it's an eternal subject but I'm with...Yep - it's an eternal subject but I'm with littlechrissy... copying is just that. It doesn't go anywhere else. Everyone has been inspired by something else. Nothing is truly original and I think it is all out there in the creative ether. I am often surprised: I seclude myself here in the countryside in France. Think something up - and find something similar a few days or weeks later on some website that I HAPPEN UPON! No coincidences. I think your pattern is also sufficiently different from the one you found afterwards. If you go to the blog smallacorns.blogspot.com/ You will see a rant about this - but it covered blatant copying by two well known designers of another well known but more expensive designer. Interesting outcome. TTFN<br />AngeAngehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02255310309447767848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-53219189227734557312009-12-02T04:29:15.049+10:002009-12-02T04:29:15.049+10:00I love that you quoted Jim Jarmusch!
I recently ha...I love that you quoted Jim Jarmusch!<br />I recently had a post on my blog where I had created something then realized that the colors and feel were completely inspired by a photo that Dottie Angel had taken. I celebrated it in my post because the work was in a completely different format and I didn't even know that it was lurking in my subconscious. I often come up with something and much later discover it is similar to someone else work that I have never seen before. I have a little whine and try to move on I guess. It's a tricky issue and I often find myself thinking, well, it's all been done.Lola Novahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14215529779296867987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7288330896048980944.post-21743739707659239552009-12-02T01:21:41.193+10:002009-12-02T01:21:41.193+10:00thank you for posting this! The timing is impecca...thank you for posting this! The timing is impeccable. I have been discussing this very thing over the last couple of days because my latest piece of textile art was blatantly copied by a "known" artist who uses the same medium. At first I was inclined to feel flattered, then miffed, then hurt, now I'm feeling "meh" about the whole thing. As Ms. Apeitos says, "...have your little whine... then get over yourself."<br /><br />Whining done, thanks to discussions/posts like yours. <br /><br />:)Kit Langhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264311632752776844noreply@blogger.com